many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
You may have a point Finkelstein. If I am honest I do not know the meaning of "inalienable"
But my point is a Witness does have the right to choose their own religious beliefs. Sadly such a choice may mean "public condemnation, predjuice and hatred, imposed by a greater recognized established religious institution" Life is not fair, but if we consider ourself adults and are over 21, we have to make tough decisions, and to shun or not is one of those decisions. That's my point.
many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
Finkelstein, My answer to your anology, is No. ( or in Watchtower language a " Resounding NO" ) But in my society, the person who offered the child for sacrifice would be in court tomorrow and then held in custody before sentencing. In my society even the solicitors of his religious organization, wont get him out of this mess.
many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
Finkelsttein, " I don't see what age of an individual has relevance"
Well I consider myself an adult. I was an adult at 18 . When my son is 18 I consider him an adult and accountable for his actions. I once drove a car drunk at age 21 I think ( Anyway it was a long time ago) Nonetheless I was responsible. I can't blame my upbringing for driving a car drunk. Thankfully no one was hurt and I drove home safely. I married my wife when she was 21. Anyway we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary in November. We made those 25 years work. Yes I love my wife.
All I am saying is at a certain age, we become adults. I had a tough ride growing up, no real love from my parents, only organizational crap, but a better ride than many.
Do you say that those who drink drive, do so because of culture? upbringing? where do we make the its ok you drunk drove and the consequences are not your fault? That's why I say age has a relevance to shunning.
many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
Finkelstein, The Rebel says " I do not honestly believe the governing body force anyone to shun"
The Rebel also says, we are not murderers, or rapists, despite if the G.B asked us to be that. I have learnt ( and already new) shunning is dispicable. But the age of consent to drink alcohol is? The age of concent to drive a car is ? The age to marriage is? With these acts come individual personal decisions, and accountability. Why is the adult age of a witness excused as a shunner? After age 18 or 21 dependent in the country we live in, we are accountable for the decisions we make. Anyone disagree?
one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.
i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.
i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.
I think my O.P which is " Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower" may be going off topic. However i must admit the off topic posts are entertaining.
many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
LoveUnHateExams :- I haven't got my head around your post to contemplate on what you wrote yet, but I wanted to give an instant reply to say, wow. Because being so open on a thread, having the guts to post stuff like that in hyperspace, wow...I guess that's why I came back to visit the board, i was interested in how individuals were doing and if they still posted.
Take care.
one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.
i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.
i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.
It would have been dissapointing blondie. But that's the sixteen year old in me answering. And funnily enough I remember embarrassed giggles came from the girls in the class, I wonder how they would have have reacted if it was a man?
Being sixteen was a great year in my life, then school, friends (male and female) and sadly EDUCATION ended. Thanks W.T. Oh but also thanks Facebook, for bringing those friends back again.
i am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
I would say having left the J.W organization and this site for a few months, I have discovered such questions about believes have been asked by my new " WORLDLY" friends, However what I believe, what they blieve, and most importantly the next day what ever we believe, it's irrelevant, I am accepted or not accepted for who I am.
So my answer is " I am, what I choose to be" Jehovers Witnesses" can label that I am a " Worldly person" and I may even now be an "atheist", but what counts is what is inside the label.
i am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
I think " Are you Agnostic, Athiest or Christian? is missing many other " labels" " Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist ect". As for me I wouldn't call myself God, but " I am" what I choose to be. The person we are, who we really are, is not our belief, but who we are inside. That's when a person is challenged to be seen as an individual, not a label .
has waking up ever made you physically ill?
perhaps because of the emotional strain etc..?.
if if so what were / are the symptoms?.
I love going to bed, either after the reading of a book, or watching an old T.V western show on you-tube with my son. I think if my life is more complicated, more stressful the problem could be not being able to sleep, which could make me "physically ill when I awake. However I had enough of those sleepless nights when I left the W.T, and I am never going back their.
I am lucky when I awake I have my wife next to me, but I have noticed her world seems a little stressful. I call it unnecessary doing too much, " Charity work, Bussiness goals, and too many friends" keep life simple.
